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Worship and GatheringDaniel led worship on his way to coach a softball game. Don't worry, he pulled his car over, first!
Before we prayed the liturgy that Daniel prepared, we remembered Jessica in her recuperation, and Joyce in some dread of an upcoming procedure.
Daniel's selected prayers included a collect for the day's honorees, Charles and Samuel Wesley.
For a gathering question, Daniel wondered about our favorite things to do in weeks such as this when the weather is in transition. We heard, enjoy the cold parts... no, enjoy the hot parts... curl up in a blanket outside on your porch to read your EfM... dress warmly and peel off layers as you go.
Yr. D, Living Into the Journey with God, Unit 4 Integrating Belief, Behavior, and Doctrine: 1st yr: Lanie, Daniel; 2nd yr: Donfred, Joyce, Susan; 3rd yr, Jessica; 4th yr, Scott. Mentor: Scott. Absent: Jessica.
Arise [Jerusalem], shine, for the glory of the Lord has dawned upon you. Is 60.1
Photo of Jerusalem at sunrise.
Discussion of the Readings
We posted our likes and questions to the chat, read each other's comments, and added more. Here, comments are gathered by author:
Joyce: I loved how Philippians opens with my favorite, "Rejoice om the Lord always” … This letter to the Philippians is believed to be one Happiest letters that Paul even it was written from a prison cell and he felt like this time, his jailers might actually end his life…. Once again Paul had to remind the people not to follow whatever the new focus was of the day, but to continue building on their humility and unity. …Powell mentioned how the Roman soldiers were encouraged to live out their retirement in Philippi and Rome made this idea attractive to the soldiers by exempting them from having to pay taxes…. Colossae was a small town situated on the valley of Lycus River and it was known for the production of Scarlet-dyed wool.
Susan: Paul likes the Philippians. Powell among lots to things about the Incarnation and Powell suggests that this was already part of early Christian doctrine.
Scott: Haggai is essentially a series of capital campaign fund drive pep talks! … I Love the emergence of this theme in Isaiah that Israel is to be more than just GOd's people, but is to be a light to the whole world, to bring all nations to Jerusalem. "Arise, shine, for your light has come... Nations will stream to your light... violence will no more be heard in your borders" … I appreciate the way Collins handles hard interpretations. For example p. 263, strange passage that includes "slaughtering an ox, killing a man, sacrificing a lamb, breaking a dog's neck"... He tries out different ways of reading it and puts forward one as most fitting with the context... It's hard for us to read the suffering servant songs without thinking of Jesus. A few of them seem to be about a single person, unnamed; a couple seem to be about Israel as a whole, suffering among the nations for the sake of the nations. Jesus and his disciples would know all of these well and would see Jesus's suffering in that context. The BIG new idea here is that suffering could be REDEMPTIVE, not PUNITIVE
Lanie: I found it interesting when speaking of rebuilding the temple (in Haggai) that it more expedient to build the temple than to have a place to live. Where did the people go at night after a hard day's work? [Answer: tents and huts. Same thing in Nehemiah.] … Also, seemed to be a reference to Jesus's suffering in one of the prophesies mentioned -- Servant Song in Isaiah.
Donfred: the amazing part I like about the reading is that the relationship Paul had with Philippians. how is describes the career of Christ Jesus in three Stage . First he was born in the form of God and secondly he was born in human likeness and lived and died as human . thirdly he was exalted by God to be lord of all. … in conclusion to the letter to the Philippian stated that the peace of God , which surpasses all understanding , will keep your heart and minds in Christ Jesus…It seems like Paul was really enjoyed talking with the Philippians . (Joyce responded, “Yes, he did, but the Colossians never met Paul face to face.”)
We also discussed a few words not in the glossary of Collins’s book: theophany, oracle, cult, and a key word for next week, hermeneutics. Scott looked that up on Google and found an animated cartoon about it. Hermeneutics in Theology 3 minute lesson
Theological ReflectionScott started a TR with Paul's greeting to the Philippians.
The focus became what we learn about EDUCATION from Paul. Encouragement in a letter – to learn something new – and to keep on keeping on (learning) – he’s delivering the message with grace and peace … to determine what really matters FOR THEMSELVES – puts responsibilities on THEM, not just on Paul! He hopes that they continue to learn, to overflow with learning.
For an image, Donfred suggested that Paul's teaching style is a lot like Jesus's self-sacrifice, and others agreed.
We shared some personal experiences with this kind of teaching -- parents, school teachers, bosses.
For theological perspectives, we saw CREATION: The knowledge is already inside, already implicit, and questions are the tools that make it clear to them. For example, Paul didn't mind that outsiders were preaching about Jesus, though some Philippians were alarmed. JUDGMENT: The college students rebelled against having to figure things out themselves. REDEMPTION: How David learned from prayer after his experience with the death of Bathsheba's infant son.
Connecting to TRADITION: We wondered what there was to learn once they believed in Jesus? Jesus teaches in parables that tell stories with symbols and the people that hear them have to figure out what to do from the parables! (He doesn’t give them bullet-points after the story! -- Sermons put pieces together in ways that aren’t immediately obvious) … Prophets LIVED their parables! … Nathan TAUGHT David, with the story of the baby sheep, and DAVID learned deeply!
Connecting with Culture -- A lot of emphasis on standardized tests and that doesn’t leave as much room for growth by learning from your own mistakes! … Ancient teaching of Socrates, where he asks questions without saying what you should think! … “You never tell us anything, you just ask questions.”
Position – “You have to feel it to learn it.”
Insight: Deliver with grace… leave responsibility to them, let the learners discover/determine for themselves (don’t give the short list) … give them the problem and ask the question – and trust that the answer is inside them
Apply: Joyce would encourage her daughter to watch her money herself, “don’t come running to Mommy” … Flip side (Susan) – the person in position of teaching has to give up some authority and power for students to do that. Paul seems to be doing that in this letter. That tied in with DONFRED's image of teacher's SACRIFICE. Scott later wrote this collect:
Collect for Lifelong LearningLord God, Father of All Wisdom, speaking in parables rather than bullet points, you left your listeners room to discover meaning for themselves, and your Apostle Paul encouraged the Philippians to continue to grow in faith through their own experiences and prayer: Give us the spirit of humility to listen to the students in our lives, and the spirit of inquiry to build on what we think we learn. Amen.
For Monday:Lanie will lead worship.
Joyce has been holding onto her TR for weeks, now, and should get the chance to share it! We're reading week 25: Yee chapter 3 and 1 & 2 Thessalonians with Powell's accompanying chapters. Jessica reads about Rome's renewal (because the Reformation, you know).
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